I played a match of Vengeance earlier, on the map Frostbite.

It was the usual sniper fest with the occasional moron getting in the crossfire, when suddenly me and my team noticed a Vulture and a Nova Cat at the back of our spawn point, hacking away at us from behind as we respawned, killing several of the lighter 'mechs.

We of course promptly retaliated, and through some solid effort to hold two fronts we managed to get rid of them, partially thanks to me locking on to the Vulture and then chainfiring 5 LRM20s at him in rapid succession nonstop, ruining his aim.

However, afterwards they started murring about my chainfiring being "noobish" and called me a cry baby for telling them to lay off the regen slaying. So basically, if I had alpha-striked, done one major punch of damage and then reloaded, all would have been well. But if I hadn't done that to halt them for a while so others could regroup and attack, they would have kept taking us out as we respawned. We were also a couple lads fewer than the opposition, thus making it easier for them to keep us buzy elsewhere so they could slip in a few units behind us.

What would you guys consider noobism? Spawn camping or chainfiring? Both?

On the same topic, almost, I was also called a noob for using a missile packed Vulture to pound Nova Cats using only ER Large Lasers (Which have a shorter range by 200 meters). Lasers r teh secks, missiles r teh ghey?

Sounds like you met two losers who where teaming.

my take, if anything is noobish it's spawn camping in an open game. "We will stand here and pound your mech before you completely load in so you go poof as you take your first step" bah - losers.

Hell I've been cussed for chaining, griped at by my own team on teamspeak, but never called a noob for it. Man, I miss that Kodiak.

That's what I thought as well. Chainfire is just a far more efficient way of giving people a harder time aiming at you from a distance.

It's not like they hesitate to alpha strike if they get the chance, so why should anyone else hesitate to chainfire?

It's annoying as Hell on the receiving end of a chain-fire, but so is getting shot with a PPC. Should I moan about getting PPC'd, too? And ERLLs? Hate getting hit by them. And machine guns....

Chain firing is an artform. I respect the pilot who can do it well, just as I respect someone who can snap-fire Thunderbolts...I even have to grudgingly respect pop-tarting laser-whores when they are not exploiting a bug in the software.

Doesn't mean that I like those tactics, but that's my issue. I have to find ways to counter each and make their life Hell instead of mine.

Spawn-camping in Mercs is a bit of a n00bish move, but I have played enough TAG to have gotten over my loathing and accept it as a valid tactic in the right situation. My basic criteria for the acceptability of a tactic is as follows:

+ Does the game allow it without a hack?
+ Is it possible within the confines of the simulation? (basically, could a mech do it)
+ Can it be performed without exploiting an error in the code (e.g. heat bug)?

If those answers are "yes" then I have to accept it and figure out how to counter it--I have no right to call foul.

Don't want spawn-camped? Don't die, and you'll never have to see your spawn. Unless you're camping it.

Usually worked well for me anyhow.

Edit: Not that I ever camped out in my own spawn, or forced people to be bullet sponges, or have taken pot shots at people in their own spawn.

Oh, I don't mind getting shot to pieces, I mind getting shot to pieces the second I respawn.

By all means, chainfire at me like mad, nuke me with long toms, blast me to smithereens with PPCs, but really... Shooting people up the ass before they even get to get up into 10 kph is just lame.

And we were all kinda stuck on each our mountain... Some folks snuck behind us whilst we were fighting like crazed since we were fewer in numbers and buzy holding off the rest.

Nah you would never do any of those, nor would you run to one corner of the map in a Cougar and hide, sniping at extreme range.

there are what three weapon modes on MW?

Group Fire (all weapons in a group)
Chain Fire (one weapon at a time in succession?)

I am not sure what the third one is but there seems to be a third option at least in Venge

N00bish is a terrible word and should not be used.


Absolutly nothign wrong with chain firing ... it is totally legitimate and you often reduce your accuracy because of it but the side effwect is of course the knock. Using knock well can be an artform and it not "cheap" nor unfair ... they are bitching because you frustrated them ... this means you did your job well. Take it as a compliment

Spawn camping is a little harder to define ... the word n00bish is not the word to use. Very good players can spawn camp hardly makes them n00bs. I think it is a little annoying when i spawn and get hammered, however unless it is thier entire team camping you are going to kill them via attreition ... a couple spawn at the same time and they can fight back, these guys dont heal they will go down. Support like you did to drive them away also happens. You can get out of being camped most of the time so it isnt that much of a problem IMO (i do play NR most the time though).

Respawn in mechwarrior is pretty garbage if you ask me though and these camping situations arise because of it.

Would be nice if it worked differently, aye. Don't know HOW that would work out, maybe spawning across the entire map in safe spots (Meaning that people can't hit you the very sceond you spawn, but you couldn't hit them either. Also, you couldn't go back into the safe zone after leaving it.), I dunno. Something that works with more than 2 teams as well.



Single fire, where you fire a, well, single weapon at a time, even if there are others in it's group.

that explains a few things thanks

I got called cheap and noobish for running an arty beacon raven on a puretech mission play server by an assault whoring idiot. Never laughed so much in my life aside from the time I got called laggy by, naming no names here but he plays for another MWL outfit, someone who whenever he can't hit anything always calls the other person laggy and can't accept that he may just suck. I wasn't even packing my Euro lagshield at the time. Anyway, spawn camping is a pretty cheap way of racking up lots of kills, chain firing is annoying but effective as long as you have someone with you to take advantage of the splendid knock you're generating, legging is perfectly legitimate just make sure you don't go on a legging fest otherwise people will start targetting you, light mechs are great (spot the raven driver) and it's a mark of honour to take down a big mech single handed and flamer and arty mechs are legit but don't use them all the time.

Gnosis ...... ?

I hate your damn flamer 'mech!

Running around, predictable ole' me, riding the heat curve, then out of nowhere you come along and flame me to death. *grumble*

I really ought to finish patching up.

That's why I was so disapointed to see the Inferno SRM's given to BA. I had such a nice flamer, ISRM, arty beacon Raven. That thing was so much fun to drive.

i wonder what this fellow would do in a CTF match if you ran around in a naked osiris?

The only piece of equipment I don't like is the heavy explosives, and then only in team matches. Otherwise, people can use whatever they want to use, as long as they can tolerate other people using it towards them as well.

Bah. Who needs weapons? Jumpjets are the only thing a real Mechwarrior needs.

Sometimes, I really do miss this game.

Ha ha ha, reminds me of this other time, a guy in a cougar trashed 4 Daishis and a Nova Cat in a row in a match of team attrition.

I was very happy he was on MY team.

"OMG U ****** CUGRNUBCHEETR **** U!1!"

Ha ha ha, that ruled.

Hard to master, and you are always in danger of sniper fire.

Oh I do hope I get Mechwarrior 4 Vengeance, Black Knight and Mercenaries soon, so I can get of that cracked Vengeance, ugh... Noobfest supreme, and I want a Wolfhound, dammit!

Next time someone calls you a n00b for chaining lrm's or atm's ,make fun of the guy because he probally sucks as a player by ALLOWING you to keep misslelock and chaining him at long range himself by not using cover.

Myself i consider allways taking machinegun boats in a FFA battle match because you can't win any other way n00bish ,lame and pointless.

Though the only time I've really ever chained LRMs were when someone decided to come close. Like Tyr brawling in his Ares against my 8 CLRM10 Vulture.