4 light gauss on a maddy II eh? Never thought of that combo either.

I would put that load-out on a Templar. Catz is a better shot than I am, but I can relate to the joy of watching that distant mech lose parts (and lives) when that 48 points of love landed unexpectedly. They always think they are safe just beyond 1000 meters...

Particularly satisfying on a missle-boater.

Scats? Hell I remember you taking out my Uller's legs from 1000 while I was at full speed circling someone.

I'm likin this, fellas, good stuff. 4 lite gauss templar or maddy...this is gonn a be fun!

The Templar has a tendency to get itself blown up and de-weaponed due to the fact that it's just a giant freakin' set of shoulders. But it is fast, which certainly helps you if you've got terrain available to you.

MKII though has really high weapon-slots and if I remember right, some fairly buggy hitboxes which means if you're going to poptart/jump snip, you really only have to expose a small amount of yourself to get a shot off. And even if you do take return fire, chances are they'll hit somewhere completely useless (like the ears).

I always enjoyed 4 Light Gauss Blood Asp on the big missle-boat maps. Then you get ECM and BAP, and your targets skyline out to 1200 meters so you can fire from just the visual queue alone and they can't get missile lock. 'Course then you're out Jump Jets, so be sure it's on a map that doesn't have a large amount of terrain, or has a place you can sneak to that lets you get a clear firing angle on most of the popular fighting grounds.

Yeah, when the Blood Asp came out, I started using that also. BAP was always good for when you needed to get out of missile range. That map with the 2 land bases across the river that was a missile boaters paradise was my playground for quad lgauss as the boaters never had turned their radar inactive, so i could pound em without seeing them

It was the circling Gwyd, it was easy to predict when you would be at one side or the other, and ullers fall down so nice, blow one leg off, knock it on it's ass, and peel the other leg off when they try o get back up.

I always preferred my Faf, just set way off and let that big flat torso poke over a hill top.

Had a lot of fun back in the Vengeance days, running a 4 Lt. Gauss Daisy. Just stayed passive until I found a target, then poked up over the hill and let fly. Ah...good times.

So, find a chassis I like that holds 4 lite gauss and has BAP at least, (Still not sure how to use that) and I can take out LRm boats and stay outta their range? that sounds pretty sweet!

pfft you and your lightgauss, id still hit youat the maximun rang on my longtoms! (which is actually just past 1000m.)

You know the best Sniper is the ASS (Anti-Sniper Sniper).

The tendency to fight fire with fire is both the most instinctual and least efficient reaction.

You can suck all the oxygen right out of the air above a fire with a fire and kill the fire underneath it. So that saying is wihtout a dought...rather old.

i always liked the 2erppc,2minigauss avatar for jump sniping work. runs hot, so have a cool off group of weaps, usually i had 3 groups, alpha, erpc+2minigauss, and 2minigauss. its big brother is the mk2 with 3-4 minigauss and either 2lite ppc or 2erppc if you can manage heat. really the sniper you take depends on the map, some maps are extreme range maps requiring ltgauss and such. other maps have lots of cover you can use and that can be used against you, so its ok to run a shorter range mech that hits harder. as mentioned before never stay put for long.

some more decent sniper mechs: techi, shadowhawk, hunchiIIc(yes, 2cg!), ares, etc. mostly what i looked for was high gunports or gunports at the same level on the mech.

cheers

Dought?

Can you now? News to me. Of course, it still is easier and quicker to blow out a match than light another one and hold it underneath until the magic works.

In any case, sniping a sniper is all very well. Unless of course the other sniper is just plain better than you. In that case, you're probably wasting your time. But by all means, try. After all, he needs targets to occupy his time while I creep up on him from behind....

Still not doing well as a poptard...however, running around them and then behind them and harassing the crap outta them is turning out to be a real blast! I am finding a mix of long range ballistics, lasers, Rocket launchers and LBX pretty effective at disrupting whole lines of pop tards...much fun!


Oh yeah before I forget, how does one check score in-game?

Tab.

That's why I can't do it! I use my TAB key to hit reverse! I'll have to go in and reassign it to something else.

*tear* *reminisces* Actually, the last time I was playing, I was really enjoying the Dragon for killing everything... it's uber. Take a Dragon. I don't remember ever running with another person in Dragons... but that actually sounds like a lot of fun, now that I think about it, and it would be even more than doubly uber because of the teamwork effect.

If you want to be cool, though, take a Thor and put 2clbx20s and a hml on it; then strip off enough armor to get it going 97 kph with jumpjets. That is ridiculously fun - I'm pretty sure I used that design more than anything else. You have to deal with the psychological effects of being a kamikaze, but that's part of the fun.

Okay... I'm pretty sure I'm not actually posting anything useful, so I'll just go now.

bah Dragon = easy kill.

Bang there goes the big gun arm.

Bang there goes a leg.

Bang there goes the Dragon.

See, that's kinda why I like my Bushy...low profile, hard to hit and when io does take a hit it keeps going...if I could just cram some more LBX on it!


HEYA DIDY!

I seem to recall Big City matches where I ran a Dragon with literally no armor (or .1 on each bit), 2 LL, 1 HG + Tons of ammo, and came away with top kills and no deaths.

'Course, then Spiff always made it a habit to hunt me down and team-kill me.

I never liked getting caught alone against the Thor twins. For sheer killing power up close, those 4 CLBX20's can sure do a number on you. Bushies are also great brawlers and can give and take a pounding for their size.

However, I also agree that a well run Dragon can be a thing of beauty. I always felt too ponderous in a Thor, the maneuverability just didn't suit me. Dragon-style fighting isn't for everyone, and takes some practice (and patience), but it's a lot of fun blasting an unsuspecting enemy from within 600 meters and then dancing away unscathed. (For some reason Banzai seemed to produce more Dragon afficionados per capita than most other teams.) If you are going to brawl in one, take AG, a stiff breeze will knock you over otherwise.

Speaking of running in pairs, I used to enjoy the days when Wad and I would load up medium range Thannies and drop in opens together. We'd stake out an area either off to the side of the main battle, or sometimes right in between the two spawns if there was some cover to be had, and go to work. Insurgent brawlers running passive would blunder right into us to be shredded and we'd spend the rest of the time pot-shotting the enemy snipers. Urban maps or terrains such as Wetlands were perfect for it.

Don't become a poptard, KILL the poptard.
Namely if you're in HOLA then try a SCat with an ERPPC, LBX10, and quad ERML. Give it max armor and electro and you have one of the bitchiest customs to ever have to deal with.
Or just go and get a stock Loki, those things rip through anyone if you're a good brawler, plus the ECM (if you take a HS then also BAP) then you have comparable if not better electronics than those wimps.
Then you have the guys who AREN'T classic poptards and deserve the term sniper. I know a guy on NBT Sunder called Wolf FF and MC who use a tri-LPPC SCat at 400 meters and killed me. The key to being a great poptard is not only upward but lateral movement, meaning that the enemy has to think on two dimensions instead of one (which when you have ballistics or PPCs is a PITA).

For anti poptart killingi thought to go another direction. The trick is to keep em off balance and the best weapons for the are the standard Auto Cannons. Bushies with 2 ac-10's on it was just mean or a Stalker with an ac20 and 2 ac10's would just keep them off balance enough with the recycle times that they never could get ashot off. Un boating is a great way to be an anti sniper sniper.

I always felt that the Thor had tin foil for armour and was almost as unmanouvrable as the Cauldy with a higher profile and less room for weapons. The ECM is useful and so are the jets if they're your thing (which they aren't for me) but as far as I was ever concerned, they didn't outweigh the problems. Now speaking of cooperative hunting, me and Narson used to run 2 CLBX 20, HML Ullers in a beautifully choreographed dance of death around assault mechs in general and Rat in particular. Happy days.

I remember Rat and myself doing some anti-sniping sniping on one of the NBT maps (Red?). We were both in Assaults (can't rem what kind) and using walls and coms to make alternating attacks on the other side. Man we had some pissed off snipers they finally started rushing us and we still usually dropped them.

Bushie hard to hit?

uh, no

durable, yes, hard to hit, nope, not a chance.

I meant by other than derranged cats.

I don't seem to remember the Caudy being particularly agile either, Siggy. In my mind, the mix between 360 torso twist, heavy weapons, and electronics made the Thor popular. As well as the tendency for Cauldys to be armed, legged, and left to bleed.

thor takes damage to easily unless special armor, its hitboxes actually work. or rather you can stay face on to incoming fire because of the way the hitboxes are.

I don't think I ever saw that unless it was us picking on each other. They have too much armor to do that easily.

They turn like a bus though, so you have to know how to drive them or hill hump with them.

smaller mechs tend to run circles around cauldys though. Agaisnt larger mechs cauldies are just mean.

Oh I know they're not at all, I just meant that the Thor wasn't, as far as I was concerned, agile enough to really make it worthwhile using them over a Cauldy which has the capacity to tote just as much or a little bit more than a Thor, with better (for me) electronics (eo and BAP) with better armour, 5 tons lighter, a lower profile and general all round better looks (cos style matters). I know the Thor has 360 degree twist which helps offset the snail like (or so it seems to me) manouvrability and ECM to help you hide and jets but really, 360 twist gives me a headache and I can never work out where I am with it, ECM is useful true but not enough to make it better for me than a CB and I hardly ever used jets on chassis heavier than 45 tons so that wasn't a great selling point as far as I was concerned. As for being armed, legged and left to bleed, isn't that a risk you run with all mechs ?

It's a higher probability. You see...with lighter armor and smaller limbs, it was more likely that you would end up killing a Thor. A Cauldy you could neuter without having to worry about it exploding because of a near-miss.

Well, horses for courses, all I know is that if LBX - driving - Cauldy - me met LBX - Thor - driving - me, Cauldy me would rip Thor me to shreds (largely owing to the extra CLBX 10 and nearly full reactive armour, a weapon that I couldn't load into the Thor without feeling like I'd just stripped off far too much armour. And as for making that armour reactive, well, that's not something I care to think about all that much.....)

At one point, (back when I still played) I got really into jump-sniping for a while, though I was never really one for the poptart thing - I always preferred to move around a lot.

Probably my favorite for that was my Ryo with 2 ERLL, 2 ERLPL, JJs, and 7 heatsinks.

Gnosis probably remembers that one.

Oh man, I loved that 'mech. You had the punch to do some damage, and you had the pulse lasers to steal off those last bits of armor and yank the kill right out from someone else's nose. And if you liked, you could override your shut down long enough to actually guarantee that you killed most every 'mech in a one on one (short of reflective armor).

It's too bad about the "fixed" heat-scale in MP1. It became pretty impractical on anything but the coldest maps after that. But it was still one of the most fun 'mechs I've driven. Chained pulse-weapons are great for getting in and out of those wide-open plains.

I remember the first time you and I dropped in with them on Alpine. Just kinda holding one little hilly-area against everyone. 'Course, I also remember the time you DFA'd my Puma on that dock-map. I was 12 and 0 before that!

Sniping was my favorite role and before joining TB, I thought I was pretty good until one of the first scrimmages after joining. That was when Gnosis took me to school. I think he wiped me out something like 8 times with the same 5ERLL BK.

GNOSIS!

LIAR!

So, what you're saying is that Gnosis is downplaying his skillz...hmmmmmmm.

No, he's doing his usual and hiding behind someone and then shooting them....

Yes, that would be correct. He doesn't really enjoy that tactic, but he's as good as it gets at it IMO.